Denied Waterbending - WaterDome

HydroMan · Dec 15, 2015

TwistedEons said:
Borrowed a friend's computer and made a gif!

Is this your idea?

The ring rises one block higher, then it covers 1x3 holes at 3th block height, and then it covers all the 3x3 holes heigher?

TwistedEons · Dec 15, 2015

Well that's my take on it, can't be TOO cramped, if not why the point of a shield that would harm you from a combustion by range and not by the shield's weakness?

Hero · Dec 16, 2015

TwistedEons said:
Well that's my take on it, can't be TOO cramped, if not why the point of a shield that would harm you from a combustion by range and not by the shield's weakness?

It gets bigger at night and the full moon.

TwistedEons · Dec 16, 2015

So the shield is hardly effective against moves that have a high AOE in the morning?

HydroMan · Dec 17, 2015

Aka the firebending ones?

TwistedEons · Dec 17, 2015

Hero · Dec 17, 2015

TwistedEons said:
Yes

Then it will be config.

TheBonnySimcraft · Dec 25, 2015

I really like this idea. Here just a few things I'd change/add. I think, the dome should be smaller. Bigger than the icebullet one but smaller than the Waterbubble sice. Also, in my opinion you should also be able to still walk with this under water, so you could have an ice shield underwater. <- just as an addon.
Hopefully it will be added. I miss (more) defensive moves for waterbenders.

SuperBower118 · Dec 25, 2015

TheBonnySimcraft said:
I really like this idea. Here just a few things I'd change/add. I think, the dome should be smaller. Bigger than the icebullet one but smaller than the Waterbubble sice. Also, in my opinion you should also be able to still walk with this under water, so you could have an ice shield underwater. <- just as an addon.
Hopefully it will be added. I miss (more) defensive moves for waterbenders.

IceShield Underwater? Are you crazy? That'll just make WaterDome an impenetrable forcefield just about...
(I still don't see how this is different from surge shield other than the part where it breaks, which should really apply to iceshield)

Hero · Dec 25, 2015

SuperBower118 said:
IceShield Underwater? Are you crazy? That'll just make WaterDome an impenetrable forcefield just about...
(I still don't see how this is different from surge shield other than the part where it breaks, which should really apply to iceshield)

How about that fact that it protects your from all sides? Adding a breaking feature to Surge would mess it up since it's only protecting one side to begin with. Sorry to break it to you, but if an IceShield existed, it wouldnt benefit anyone. The waterbender would be stuck and whoever he's fighting couldnt attack him.

HydroMan · Dec 26, 2015

SuperBower118 said:
IceShield Underwater? Are you crazy? That'll just make WaterDome an impenetrable forcefield just about...
(I still don't see how this is different from surge shield other than the part where it breaks, which should really apply to iceshield)

Hero said:
How about that fact that it protects your from all sides? Adding a breaking feature to Surge would mess it up since it's only protecting one side to begin with. Sorry to break it to you, but if an IceShield existed, it wouldnt benefit anyone. The waterbender would be stuck and whoever he's fighting couldnt attack him.

As long the freeze dome underwater isn't frozen costantly, tied with the defenders focus, but acts like phasechange, then I wouldn't mind since only waterbenders have guts to go underwater and are superior underwater, they could just then unfreeze it and catch their feo to beat himher up.

SuperBower118 · Dec 26, 2015

Hero said:
How about that fact that it protects your from all sides? Adding a breaking feature to Surge would mess it up since it's only protecting one side to begin with. Sorry to break it to you, but if an IceShield existed, it wouldnt benefit anyone. The waterbender would be stuck and whoever he's fighting couldnt attack him.

Protecting all sides is just a buffed iceshield... as it is, IceShield has the capability of blocking nearly all of fire's attacks (WoF can clip through objects) and blocking all of air's attacks. This is why iceshield honestly needs a breaking feature. Not to mention it can create a forcefield blocking a person's approach in a hallway. Then we have this, which is a potential iceshield, but all around you. Luckily, it has it's saving grace, the breaking feature. But then we have the idea to go underwater with icedome, which would just unbalance water's defense even more. Water would then be the element of not only waiting to heal up, but also the element with plenty of other great moves such as torrent, healingwaters, and the normal surge. Water already has a lot that aids it- this is just unnecessary. Maybe as combo with a short ish duration, but as a move? No.

Hero · Feb 8, 2016

SuperBower118 said:
Protecting all sides is just a buffed iceshield... as it is, IceShield has the capability of blocking nearly all of fire's attacks (WoF can clip through objects) and blocking all of air's attacks. This is why iceshield honestly needs a breaking feature. Not to mention it can create a forcefield blocking a person's approach in a hallway. Then we have this, which is a potential iceshield, but all around you. Luckily, it has it's saving grace, the breaking feature. But then we have the idea to go underwater with icedome, which would just unbalance water's defense even more. Water would then be the element of not only waiting to heal up, but also the element with plenty of other great moves such as torrent, healingwaters, and the normal surge. Water already has a lot that aids it- this is just unnecessary. Maybe as combo with a short ish duration, but as a move? No.

wow. tl:dr

You can't water with waterdome because

You can't even move the icedome unless you defrost it and move the watershield.
You can't do water dome underwater.

So half of your argument is done.
I already said in my post long before you showed up saying IceDome will (not can, will) break eventually. So your other half as also been disgraced! ._.

You can pass though water so camping inside won't do you much good unless you intend to heal a little. A combo would just be stupid. Why would people want to invest in the time to think up a combo for something that could easily be added to an already existing move. It's not taking up a slot space and it will give WaterBubble more uses.

In case you also haven't noticed, Earth and Water are offensive and defensive; a big majority of their move sets have offensive and defensive mechanics. So adding WaterDome (Something that looks like a WaterBubble on land) makes more sense.

(By the way, air move have a bad tendency to glitch though solid blocks anyways.)

HydroMan · Feb 8, 2016

Hero said:
wow. tl:dr

Summary:

Needs a breaking feature, becuz its buffed iceshield
Too op, as u can go underwater with it
Make it a combo with short duration or a move?

Hero · Feb 8, 2016

HydroMan said:
Summary:

Needs a breaking feature, becuz its buffed iceshield

Too op, as u can go underwater with it

Make it a combo with short duration or a move?

I didnt spend 10 minutes trying to read it I mean. I barely skimmed it in 2 minutes

HydroMan · Feb 8, 2016

One question: why not use icebullet?

HydroMan · Feb 8, 2016

Hero said:
I didnt spend 10 minutes trying to read it I mean. I barely skimmed it in 2 minutes

You don't have to spend 10 minutes to read. I read it in a minute and an half. Why bother typing tl;dr if you already know what he wrote?

Hero · Feb 8, 2016

HydroMan said:
One question: why not use icebullet?

Because

It can not protect you effectively. It's really small and cramped.
If someone jumps in with you, then you are dead. You can't unfreeze it.
You can not move it after its formed.
It almost purely offensive.

HydroMan · Feb 8, 2016

Hero said:
How is this different from IceBullet? Water Dome is more defensive rather than offensive. It's bigger (about the size of night water bubble). You can freeze it. You cannot attack with it and you can move.

Oh nvm.

Hero · Feb 8, 2016

HydroMan said:
You don't have to spend 10 minutes to read. I read it in a minute and an half. Why bother typing tl;dr if you already know what he wrote?

I didnt actually process what he said. I only went over key parts