Its called being a team and sticking out for each other.
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Its called being a team and sticking out for each other.
xNuminousx
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So you're going to take the blame and then get upset at me because you took the blame? Yea okay.
I'm just pointing out the answer to your question. We are a team, we work together, we support each other, I am telling you why we involve ourselves in each others problems.
xNuminousx
Verified Member
And I'm asking, if this is the case, why get upset when apparently it wasn't I that involved you? People have gotten upset at me for arguing with them about decisions they have no authority to make, so why get involved with that? Because you're a team? Okay then why get upset with me when you don't have authority? I dont know guys. Things seem very twisted and all messed up more than ever now...
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I generally get upset when I see people criticising others negatively. I would expect anyone else to do the same?
xNuminousx
Verified Member
I guess it's situational. But the question was, to put it in simpler terms to make this easier: why get upset with ME for something that wasn't my fault?
You are the proveyor of negative criticism, I believe
xNuminousx
Verified Member
/.- Nevermind I'll ask someone else. I already got that I'm a terrible person but thanks.
Didn't say you were terrible, I just said that in this situation your criticism is being viewed negatively as you may have already known.
xNuminousx
Verified Member
Yes and again your answer wasn't a correct answer.
For an example this is what you just said:
If my little brother brakes a glass cup, I get blamed for it an punished just because I witnessed it. Even though I patched up his scratches and healed him of damage.
That example is relevant to what you said. Just because the criticism I offer isn't what you want to hear, you get mad at me for things that aren't even my fault... Lol
Now I see where you are coming from, but in your scenario the way you are being viewed is that, while you are trying to patch up your brother, you are also reprimanding him for something he necesarrily could not control. This problem you believe to exist is not at all 1 sided. There is a truth to both sides arguments.
xNuminousx
Verified Member
Which was my original point, why get involved? You responded with "because we're a team" I get that you're a team and want to protect each other, which is noble. But to then turn around and blame me for your involvement? Most of my responses are replies to what's already been said. So, because of this, how could I be at fault for their involvement? You'd basically be blaming me for your own actions. The scenario I said used a 3rd person (the mom/dad that punished) where as this actually requires only 2 people.
So a better example would be:
My OLDER brother breaks a glass cup. Because I was closest to him he gets upset with me (yelling and punching) saying "Why would break this cup? You're in so much trouble!" Even though I hadn't even touched the cup, looked at the cup or had anything to do with the cup.
xNuminousx
Verified Member
And if this is referring to me accusing someone of something they had no control over, this is false. I was simply holding the ORIGINAL person at question accountable until someone else got involved. For example, originally I was just talking to Omni until more people started getting involved. Then I started to respond to what they had to say and why it was ludicrous.
Ok your missing my point here, I'm not blaming you for my involvement? I involved myself based upon my own will and I will deal with the consequences of it.
xNuminousx
Verified Member
And I wasn't talking about you. You aren't the one I was thinking at all with any of these silly scenarios or anything. I was trying to get you to see the point.
xNuminousx
Verified Member
Just like everyone else you involved yourself, yes. But the difference between you and the person I had in mind is that you didn't use "we have no authority" as your defense card.
Oh, then excuse me for being a burden........ XD I honestly thought this was about why I personally interefered XD
EDIT: And continuing this argument.
xNuminousx
Verified Member
You weren't burden. And this wasn't about you. But it's fine, if someone else's didn't understand than now they do.
Ok who's ready for Simp's two cents?
@xNuminousx
I feel like you read what people are saying, but either don't care or don't understand it.
I would like to put logic to your arguments.
You're being quite the hypocrite. You are acting as though we have done wrong by you. You're victimizing yourself, making us look like bad people.
We might not be able to make the decisions, but we will stand by our team members that do.
As for your comment about the results being a day late: they weren't. Monday is the beginning of the week, which would make it the end of last week. We got you the results when we said we would try, but because you were too impatient you decided to be pretty rude about it. You demand we change what we're doing, but you don't realize we have! First we didn't have a timeframe for a lot of things because our lives get in the way a LOT and they take priority for everybody on the team. But the community didn't like that so we decided to give you all a rough timeframe for betas and other things. Well when we didn't make those the community also complained. Now I'd like you to think, and tell me how that makes any sort of sense. Literally, we can't make you happy. I bet if we got something out on time we'd still get shit on because of something you find that isn't exactly how you wanted it. It is frustrating and annoying.
Now don't take this as me being hostile or attacking you. I've done nothing but state facts as they are.
Here's a little criticism for you: don't belittle us. Don't demand from us. And especially, don't expect anything. Every one of us is a volunteer in this, as multiple people have stated.
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@xNuminousx
I feel like you read what people are saying, but either don't care or don't understand it.
I would like to put logic to your arguments.
You did involve us. You involved the entire team when you started giving the complete opposite of constructive criticism. You knit pick everything we say, everything we do. Do you know how annoying that is? The fact that you always so negatively judge us?
You're being quite the hypocrite. You are acting as though we have done wrong by you. You're victimizing yourself, making us look like bad people.
We might not be able to make the decisions, but we will stand by our team members that do.
As for your comment about the results being a day late: they weren't. Monday is the beginning of the week, which would make it the end of last week. We got you the results when we said we would try, but because you were too impatient you decided to be pretty rude about it. You demand we change what we're doing, but you don't realize we have! First we didn't have a timeframe for a lot of things because our lives get in the way a LOT and they take priority for everybody on the team. But the community didn't like that so we decided to give you all a rough timeframe for betas and other things. Well when we didn't make those the community also complained. Now I'd like you to think, and tell me how that makes any sort of sense. Literally, we can't make you happy. I bet if we got something out on time we'd still get shit on because of something you find that isn't exactly how you wanted it. It is frustrating and annoying.
Now don't take this as me being hostile or attacking you. I've done nothing but state facts as they are.
Here's a little criticism for you: don't belittle us. Don't demand from us. And especially, don't expect anything. Every one of us is a volunteer in this, as multiple people have stated.
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xNuminousx
Verified Member
By responding to one person, you involved yourself. By responding to the people who involved themselves, I well... I did just that, I responded to them lol. Not much else to say about that. I responded to one person, two people responded to me, I responded to both of them. I never called anyone out by name or anything. The choice to respond was all yours...
I'd like to know where the criticism stopped... I'm sure it did stop at some point in this thread, but I'd like to know where YOU think it stopped so that I can respond with why. Again, taken too personal....
I'm sure it is annoying, I have no doubt. If I won't say it, who will? Mesk may, but he'll just get in the same situation I'm in. You want me to just pray to the heaves you'll figure everything out on your own? I can do that, but then what happens to community activity... I guess there's always the suggestions.
Can you point out a time where it wasn't true or when it wasn't just? It may be negative but it's not like I say "You suck" and then run away. I give you solutions and criticism, what you do with that is all you. However, if I see a wrong I plan to speak about it. But every single time I see something wrong and point it out I get all these staffers just getting upset... Is it really too much to just point out an issue and get it solved? Omni was late. Monday is not apart of the weekend. 1 day. Is it a big deal? No, it really isn't. If this was the first or second time they've been late on a deadline, this never would have happened. If I never suggested NOT to give any specifics, this never would have happened. But unfortunately with the way things were handled things seem a bit ignored. I pointed it out so MAYBE, just maybe, fixes and improvements can be made but instead peeps got hurt personally. You made a mistake. Big deal. Just fix it and let's move on.
By the whole dealine thing? Um no, I'm acting like I've been ignored. By the whole involvement thing? I mean I have been blamed in the past for things that were not my fault involving the whole authority thing. But I know that's not the point of the thread. That became the point when Arch didn't understand what was going on but we got that all solved Simp.
Bad people for doing what? Again, people make mistakes. I'd just like people to own up to them rather than pass the blame around and dig up more drama. I brought up the deadline issue (because it's been a major issue in the past and apparently things weren't changed) and peeps got hurt.... It's NOT a big deal (in this scenario) so just accept, learn, and move on...
And I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem when the situation is turned to me getting upset at a staff member doing things they don't have the authority to be doing when that's not really what happened. Call this "victimizing" if you like, but it happens. Sue me.
I guess our concept of weeks is different. When I read the days of the week out loud I start with Monday and I end with Sunday. Implying Monday is the beginning of the week and Sunday is the end of the week. Of course, at this point it's just really opinionated and for some people Wednesday could be the end of the week. It's completely situational but I assume we're talking generally and this is what I was taught in kindergarten so.
How many times must I say that this wasn't started because I was impatient.... Again, you guys are taking EVERYTHING so personal... Please go through the entire argument. I'm sure it'll do justice in this situation.
Could you please point out something I said that was rude before post #70? The chore thing was sort of passive aggressive, I agree, but before that it was decently "diplomatic" I skimmed through it, didn't read it all, so I could be wrong. Because of this, I ask for evidence. If there is none, then I'll continue to say how it's funny when people speak the blunt truth their automatically considered rude. Again, this all could have been avoided.
This event says otherwise tbh... But he did say "Expect a post" instead of "There will be a post on X day" so I guess that's improvement. (He = Omni)
Yea and, as I've said in this argument, the "general" active community members (IE like 3-4 people lol) decided it'd be best if we stuck to vague-ness rather than exact answers. But I'm sure that message was either ignored or unheard by those who needed to hear it. There was a staff member involved in that debate and everything.
It doesn't. That's why we had a community discussion on what to do about it and the general consensus was to stay vague... As I've said in this argument and countless others......
I gave you the key to happiness tho... It was just thrown away...
Actually I'd congratulate you on your punctuation improvement. If I would "find something to shit on" really depends on the content you release. If it was a Core/Beta release I'd thank you for your work (Like I usually do) and then wait a few days before I test it and give feedback (Like I usually do).
Imagine repeating yourself over and over :/
That's what I've done but yet I'm still "hostile" and "attacking" the entire staff team apparently....
I don't demand. I suggest. Whether you take it or not, that's up to y'all. However, when I see that I could have been right, that's when there's a moment of "I told ya so" and people tend to get butt hurt.
So everybody hope you learned something today. Don't give them criticism, just seems like bad news... If there's an issue they'll figure it out eventually I guess. Good luck guys.