Surge Wall Change

owlcool · Jan 30, 2015

Element: Water
Move: Surge Shield
Use: The water surge wall should divert certain bending moves to move towards different locations. So, if the default combustion went through a water surge wall, If there was a sudden movement from left to right then the move would be moved towards that direction.
Inspiration: 1:10 in this video when this tai chi instructor is showing a "Slipping" technique, I got this idea.

Changes to better represent the art, The surge "push" should be slow, then fast, I got that idea from 3:35 in the video. The surge "push" stopping won't need to be for long, maybe for like half a second.

owlcool · Jan 30, 2015

Additional idea from that video, in 1:20, it shows that tai chi moves in 45 degree angles. Perhaps both shields should be changed to only 45 degree angles, while if you are exactly halfway of a 45% angle, you stay as you originally were. If you go more then that, you switch over to the next 45 degree angle. This won't seem like a massive debuff, but it does seem like something nice to add to the plugin to better represent the martial arts behind the bending art.

SamuraiSnowman · Jan 31, 2015

owlcool said:
when this tai chi instructor is showing a "Slipping" technique, I got this idea.

The "Slipping" technique is just moving to the side, not redirecting the punch anywhere else... I don't see a connection?

owlcool said:
Perhaps both shields should be changed to only 45 degree angles,

What do you mean to only 45 degree angles? Any angle is technically 45 degrees from some axis...
He also moved in 45 degree angles, not blocking at 45 degree angles..

WaterFan99 · Jan 31, 2015

I don't get it

owlcool · Jan 31, 2015

zmeduna said:
The "Slipping" technique is just moving to the side, not redirecting the punch anywhere else... I don't see a connection?

What do you mean to only 45 degree angles? Any angle is technically 45 degrees from some axis...
He also moved in 45 degree angles, not blocking at 45 degree angles..

First point, the surge could move moves to the side, like how the martial art move does. Second point, lets just say it is 45 degrees from the original creation of the shield.

HydroMan · Jan 31, 2015

WaterFan99 said:
I don't get it

Me neather ,can you pls provide a better demonstration on the move

owlcool · Jan 31, 2015

HydroMan said:
Me neather ,can you pls provide a better demonstration on the move

Basically, surge in water shield form would divert the move somewhere else, like for example, right when a combustion is inside the water shield, quickly move your mouse to the left or right, and the attack would "slide" right past you.

HydroMan · Jan 31, 2015

owlcool said:
Basically, surge in water shield form would divert the move somewhere else, like for example, right when a combustion is inside the water shield, quickly move your mouse to the left or right, and the attack would "slide" right past you.

Now i get it ,moving the blast while it
is caught by the surge ,which you need to turn the shield to your right/left for you intentionally make it as a miss. I like it

SamuraiSnowman · Jan 31, 2015

owlcool said:
First point, the surge could move moves to the side, like how the martial art move does. Second point, lets just say it is 45 degrees from the original creation of the shield.

First point: The martial art move was dodging the hit, but let's not argue on that

Second point: This would be a huge debuff to surge shield! People can easily turn out of the 90 degrees that you'd be able to turn.... A firebender just firejets behind you and your shield is ruined...

owlcool · Feb 1, 2015

zmeduna said:
First point: The martial art move was dodging the hit, but let's not argue on that
Second point: This would be a huge debuff to surge shield! People can easily turn out of the 90 degrees that you'd be able to turn.... A firebender just firejets behind you and your shield is ruined...

You could move your shield 90 degrees and 180 degrees still. It would just have the shield have a bit more of a flow like how the martial art flows. Since you can rotate it 90*, you can rotate it 180*. It would still be able to block in between, but it would not stay in one position in between. Do you understand what I am saying? It wouldn't really be a debuff.

owlcool · Feb 1, 2015

owlcool said:
You could move your shield 90 degrees and 180 degrees still. It would just have the shield have a bit more of a flow like how the martial art flows. Since you can rotate it 90*, you can rotate it 180*. It would still be able to block in between, but it would not stay in one position in between. Do you understand what I am saying? It wouldn't really be a debuff.

if you would watch the 45* turns again, then you would notice they are slow, settling into another 45* turn. This would be what the change to the shield would be like.

SamuraiSnowman · Feb 1, 2015

owlcool said:
if you would watch the 45* turns again, then you would notice they are slow, settling into another 45* turn. This would be what the change to the shield would be like.

So as you moved the shield it'd just be slower?

owlcool · Feb 1, 2015

zmeduna said:
So as you moved the shield it'd just be slower?

If you moved the shield, about more then half of 45*, it would move at the normal speed, and then slowly settle into a full 45* turn.

Taiko the Waterbender · Feb 2, 2015

Tai Chi ftw *-*

owlcool · Feb 2, 2015

Taiko the Waterbender said:
Tai Chi ftw *-*

How is that a ftw? We are just modeling the element off of the martial art, just like the creators did. Lol

Finn_Bueno_ · Feb 2, 2015

owlcool said:
How is that a ftw? We are just modeling the element off of the martial art, just like the creators did. Lol

what's wrong with For The Win ... ?

Gold · Feb 2, 2015

finnbon said:
what's wrong with For The Win ... ?

ur ded nan

Moonelight · Feb 2, 2015

owlcool said:
for example, right when a combustion is inside the water shield, quickly move your mouse to the left or right, and the attack would "slide" right past you.

Wouldn't it make more sense if the combustion exploded rather than get redirected? Besides, the combustion beam is controled souly by the user, not the Waterbender.

owlcool · Feb 2, 2015

finnbon said:
what's wrong with For The Win ... ?

ftw means something slightly different to me.

owlcool · Feb 2, 2015

Fly said:
Wouldn't it make more sense if the combustion exploded rather than get redirected? Besides, the combustion beam is controled souly by the user, not the Waterbender.

The combustion beam is an example, and it is not like we are giving waterbenders the ability to completely control fire, that was simply an example of something that could happen. The shield would be "Pushing" the blast to the side, or in the martial arts world, The waterbender "Slides" past the blast.