Sub-element Ice, or is it?

[HadesDude]

Ice is just frozen water. Metal is just refined earth. I don't see why those are subelements because they are a different form, and breath is breathing a different type of air than when just bending the air around you. Mud is just water mixed with dirt. They are both still different forms of the main elements.

Ice is just water, which is why we don't think it should be a sub-element. Metal is refined earth, but since it isn't pure only some earthbenders can bend it. It was a rare ability until Toph began teaching it, however we know that not every earthbender can metalbend (Bolin). As for asphyxiation, I do not believe it is a sub-type because you're pulling air from their lungs and creating a vacuum around their head effectively suffocating them. In my opinion air's sub-element should be flight, fire should be lightning and combustion, water should be healing and bloodbending and earth should be metal and lavabending.

P.S. <3 Mist

 

[Migsel]

P.S. <3 Mist

 

[Gahshunk]

Ice is water. Water is ice. Every Waterbender in the shows were able to bend ice. WHY IS IT A SUB-ELEMENT

That's what I said. I feel like they're basing it too much off of the way plenty other games make ice like it's own element or power.

 

[MIkecg]

Ice is just water, which is why we don't think it should be a sub-element.

Yea, as you said, Ice is just water, water in its solid state of matter. However, I think that, the fact both are formed by water molecules but in different states of matter, is the reason why this should a sub-element. This is because, in my point of view, as the waterbenders aren't usually adapted to manipulate solids (often in the series, they bend liquids, water), they should find difficult to bend ice although it is composed of the water. The particles that form water molecules in the ice have less energy than particles in water (l) molecules, and this simple difference could be the matter why ice shouldn't be as easy to bend than water (liquid). The differences between both states of matter COULD be a difficulty for waterbenders, not used to manipulate ice, to bend ice or even snow. The same happens with the steam. In the series, we aren't told by anyone that the amount of energy in the particles that form bendeable objects COULD possibly be an obstacle for benders bending these objects. But anyways, who matters. The Legend of Korra didn't deepen in the scientific explanations, and doesn't expect us to debate either something in their shows can be scientifically explained or not. Probably ice is manipulated with the same ease as liquid water, probably not. It might look logical to me for ice to be a subelement for these reason, but I also don't expect you to have the same opinion as me.

 

[Finn_Bueno_]

I think it's just mainly because ice bending is looks really different from water bending. Ice bending is more like earthbending IMO.

 

[SenpaiBlaze]

Ice is clearly a sub element. If lightning is a sub element water clearly is

 

[Pickle9775]

With this logic Breathbending should be a subelement - because it isn't bending the same gas. And the same with mudbending - it's a liquid form of earth, just like lava. Different form = sub-element by your standards, and I agree. I just think that Breathbending and Mudbending should be add because of this reasoning. And possibly plasmabending to fire. (There are four states of matter - Gas [main is air], Liquid [main is water], solid [main is earth], and plasma [main is fire]) When these forms of matter cross, you get the subelements.
Solid + Liquid = Ice, Plant, Mud
Gas + Plasma = Lightning, Combustion, SpiritualProjection
Solid + Gas = Breath, Flight
Solid + Plasma = Metal, Sand, Lava
Liquid + Plasma = Healer, Blood
That's how I see it.

On what planet, fictional or not, is blood composed of liquid and plasma. You do realize that fire isn't a plasma right. Fire isn't any state of matter. It is the result of a chemical reaction that gives off heat and light. Firebending is fueled by the sun, which is plasma. That's the only possible connection there could be.

 

[Gahshunk]

On what planet, fictional or not, is blood composed of liquid and plasma. You do realize that fire isn't a plasma right. Fire isn't any state of matter. It is the result of a chemical reaction that gives off heat and light. Firebending is fueled by the sun, which is plasma. That's the only possible connection there could be.

Although blood is purely liquid, it contains plasma... which doesn't really matter because the body is 75% water. Bloodbending doesn't actually bend blood.

 

[Pickle9775]

Although blood is purely liquid, it contains plasma... which doesn't really matter because the body is 75% water. Bloodbending doesn't actually bend blood.

Wrong plasma buddy XD Don't confused Ionized gas, and the fourth state of matter for the biological product.

 

[SamuraiSnowman]

Ice is cooler

Budumtsssssssss

 

[HadesDude]

Budumtsssssssss

-_-

 

[Mist]

For all intents and purposes, for the sake of the plugin, Ice is a sub-element. Personal opinions aside of course, it was the logical thing to do for the advancement of the plugin. (There was a fairly lengthy staff debate on the matter).

The sub element list as it exists is final. End of story. Changes may be made if something drastically changes in the Avatar Universe, but for now I doubt that will happen. (Also, any arguments along the lines of "The Avatar Wikia says this", remember, this is a fan made wiki much like this is fan made plugin.)

 

[Gahshunk]

Yeah, he was better off just saying the four elements instead of reducing them to states of matter... I feel like applying too much unnecessary science to bending is a mistake.

Wrong plasma buddy XD Don't confused Ionized gas, and the fourth state of matter for the biological product.

 

[SenpaiBlaze]

Mist already settled this. We shouldn't be posting anymore post like this since they have an official projectkorra sub-element list. If you want to go by the wikia, that is your personal choice

 

[HadesDude]

Mist already settled this. We shouldn't be posting anymore post like this since they have an official projectkorra sub-element list. If you want to go by the wikia, that is your personal choice

We can still discuss it if we wish. Mist would have locked the thread if really didn't want us to continue. Also, you really shouldn't back down that easily. Yes, I get that Mist said no, but you can't live your life just accepting things because someone with more power than you tells you no.

 

[SenpaiBlaze]

We can still discuss it if we wish. Mist would have locked the thread if really didn't want us to continue. Also, you really shouldn't back down that easily. Yes, I get that Mist said no, but you can't live your life just accepting things because someone with more power than you tells you no.

Uh. A) He didn't tell me no, he agreed, ("After a long staff chat"), that ice bending is a sub element. B) It is pointless to argue about this, as it will get us no where

 

[Simplicitee]

Science makes the world go round.