Suggestion Wall Of Fire

owlcool · Jan 8, 2015

Move Name: WallOfFire
Use: This would buff walloffire, to be able to block more moves.
After all, I doubt that this,

couldn't block this.

Debuff: WallOfFire would have a bigger cooldown and would only be able to block a set amount of moves before breaking.

Simplicitee · Jan 8, 2015

I doubt it would because the water would just push right through the fire.

owlcool · Jan 9, 2015

White_Knight28 said:
I doubt it would because the water would just push right through the fire.

How can a giant wall made of fire, not block a small stream of water? I somehow doubt that would happen very easily. At the very least, have walloffire reduce torrent damage.

Simplicitee · Jan 9, 2015

Water puts out fire. Why shouldn't it go through? I agree that it would at most decrease the damage of torrent.

owlcool · Jan 9, 2015

White_Knight28 said:
Water puts out fire. Why shouldn't it go through? I agree that it would at most decrease the damage of torrent.

The thing is, in the show fire and water were shown to be quite similar. A couple blasts of fire could be blocked by a wave of defensive water, and fire was offensive/fast enough to blast through offense. Now when you have a wall of fire compared to a small stream of water, then in most cases the water would be blocked like how multiple fireblasts could be blocked by one wave of water. Make a little more sense now?

owlcool · Jan 9, 2015

owlcool said:
The thing is, in the show fire and water were shown to be quite similar. A couple blasts of fire could be blocked by a wave of defensive water, and fire was offensive/fast enough to blast through offense. Now when you have a wall of fire compared to a small stream of water, then in most cases the water would be blocked like how multiple fireblasts could be blocked by one wave of water. Make a little more sense now?

This aspect seems underrepresented, being fire can be blocked by a wave of ice easily, and explosive moves can be blocked with the water, but watermanipulation can easily be spammed enough to get through any offense fire throws at water. Do you get my point?

Simplicitee · Jan 9, 2015

Yes I get your point. But my point is that the water would be more directed than the fire. If so, It would probably go through it, and a damage reduction is logical as not all the water would make it through. Directed fire going through water makes sense too.

TheBlueSpirit · Jan 10, 2015

White_Knight28 said:
Yes I get your point. But my point is that the water would be more directed than the fire. If so, It would probably go through it, and a damage reduction is logical as not all the water would make it through. Directed fire going through water makes sense too.

Well, this is one thing I actually support owlcool in. Fire and water moves tended to cancel eachother out. In most cases of Walls of Fire being used by people, with the exception of the first time we see Jeong Jeong use it, they keep powering it visibly, keeping up the strength of the fire. It would make sense for the water to evaporate in that environment, especially if it's one of those smaller water moves. Owlcool is right. Walloffire should block most water moves. Or we could change it to a day night mechanic. In the day, it can't get through, but at night, it gets through and does less damage. That could be a compromise, so I hope it's not too hard to code.

Joeri · Jan 10, 2015

It should only block watermani and torrent tbh, small water sources like them should evaporate, but giant waves like torrents wave or surge shouldnt be blocked

And in night it should only reduce the damage off water that goes through instead of getting blocked

SenpaiBlaze · Jan 10, 2015

WallOfFire seems fine and balanced as of. If you want to block things like items, or some moves, use fireshield.

TheBlueSpirit · Jan 10, 2015

Joeri said:
It should only block watermani and torrent tbh, small water sources like them should evaporate, but giant waves like torrents wave or surge shouldnt be blocked

And in night it should only reduce the damage off water that goes through instead of getting blocked

That makes perfect sense. I do think it would be best to implement the night thing, to balance it out.

TheBlueSpirit · Jan 10, 2015

Blaze590 said:
WallOfFire seems fine and balanced as of. If you want to block things like items, or some moves, use fireshield.

Last I checked fireshield didn't really block anything except for fireblast. Am I wrong? What other moves can it block? I only use it for combos because it's so ineffective at blocking things. Also, this provides a sort of balance for how they can make giant ice walls to block our attacks. And you can't even claim it would be overpowered because it would only work during the day, unlike the ice walls.

Joeri · Jan 10, 2015

TheBlueSpirit said:
Last I checked fireshield didn't really block anything except for fireblast. Am I wrong? What other moves can it block? I only use it for combos because it's so ineffective at blocking things. Also, this provides a sort of balance for how they can make giant ice walls to block our attacks. And you can't even claim it would be overpowered because it would only work during the day, unlike the ice walls.

FireShield shift version can block watermani and torrent etc

owlcool · Jan 10, 2015

Blaze590 said:
WallOfFire seems fine and balanced as of. If you want to block things like items, or some moves, use fireshield.

Um, a arrow for example? Not exactly blocked when it just becomes a arrow that lights you on fire. :/

owlcool · Jan 10, 2015

Joeri said:
It should only block watermani and torrent tbh, small water sources like them should evaporate, but giant waves like torrents wave or surge shouldnt be blocked

And in night it should only reduce the damage off water that goes through instead of getting blocked

That seems balanced, and that already happens. Minus maybe with the torrent wave, but who actually makes use of that?

SamuraiSnowman · Jan 10, 2015

owlcool said:
How can a giant wall made of fire, not block a small stream of water

Torrent is massive.. It's as wide was a person is (if not wider) and is rather long. A wall of fire is a wall of fire, that of which is rather thin..

owlcool · Jan 10, 2015

zmeduna said:
Torrent is massive.. It's as wide was a person is (if not wider) and is rather long. A wall of fire is a wall of fire, that of which is rather thin..

If you are going to think minecraft terms then you are slightly biased, in which case particles are small and a minimum amount of particles is used to prevent lag. Look at how it is in the show. In the show, a shift fireshield could block Waterbending, earthbending, airbending, Firebending, AND a boomerang at once, seems slightly debuffed compared to the snow.

SamuraiSnowman · Jan 10, 2015

owlcool said:
If you are going to think minecraft terms then you are slightly biased, in which case particles are small and a minimum amount of particles is used to prevent lag. Look at how it is in the show. In the show, a shift fireshield could block Waterbending, earthbending, airbending, Firebending, AND a boomerang at once, seems slightly debuffed compared to the snow.

The only reason the fireshield in PK doesn't work as well is that it isn't large enough to block before it hits you. And I believe this is a suggestion about wall of fire that of which isn't for blocking moves..

owlcool · Jan 10, 2015

zmeduna said:
The only reason the fireshield in PK doesn't work as well is that it isn't large enough to block before it hits you. And I believe this is a suggestion about wall of fire that of which isn't for blocking moves..

How is walloffire not for blocking moves? It's only function is click, to create a massive shield,

SamuraiSnowman · Jan 10, 2015

owlcool said:
How is walloffire not for blocking moves? It's only function is click, to create a massive shield,

It is used as offense more than anything, it does a considerable amount of damage.