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You're once again being close minded, we should have many options to travel with. I love using surge and it requires much more skill to perform it right. So no thank you, surge is fine.

You're coming off as rude again, let's not have a repeat of yesterday, okay? I phrases it wrong, if a user can still travel with surge, it's fine. Better calm yourself ;).

Yes, we are extremely sure. We had to take away water for our players until we could fix a bit of it. we removed lagblast but manip icespike spout and surge seem to lag everybody.

But you know, as long as I can Surgejet myself without any problems, I think it could be good...

I'm sorry to be a party pooper, but surge works 100% of the time for me. I've practiced surging more than I practice torrent, so I have a bit more experience with surgejets and things regarding surge. If you're using a 2x2 source, you have to aim higher for your surge to actually go through, and...

I get this huge lag when watermanip is getting spammed as well. I know where you're coming from, but it's not only watermanip, it's surge and Icespike alongside spout. I don't know what was done but it definitely is laggy. We've tested each individual move and most of them seem to cause the TPS...

True. Manip should be 10000% controllable like it is in the shows, and how it was in Orion's version. It shouldn't miss and it needs it's on instant click redirection back.

Watermanipulation needs some editing. Here's what a lot of people and I think is wrong with it. Watermanipulation happens to be a waterbenders most used move, and we need it for attacking firebenders because torrent will not block a charged fireblast, and you may not be able to surge shield...

Hero, and I see from your view. I understand you might not see the struggle but it's very real for me ( I fight water vs water ALL THE TIME ). But yeah. It misses and it's not as redirectable, I wish you could back me up on my future post in the change section. It'd be an nice change.

Hero.. That's why. Bottles change water a lot and that might be why you don't notice this. Be open minded about it, I'll try it as well.

Completely agree.

Come on the server I am from. River fight a waterbender. You'll want to cut your fingers off. You have to either get into a positioning fight or spam torrent. Manip doesn't cut it. And also, do you play competitive? I play hardcore competitive ( It's an arena server ) and I notice every single...

I'm not 25. I'm 16. You'd know how serious I am on this with my ''aggressiveness'' toward you. You weren't here for much of Orion's plugin, I guess, so you wouldn't know but manip turned on insant click, so you do many types of sidehits and hit somebody mid air. I'm sorry for being hostile but...

Jed told me to make a bug report. You saw it. Hahahha. And 1 year over my 3... Honestly? Lol. I was competitive on my first freaking year. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

Trust me when I tell you. Manipulation is derpy. Runefist even confirmed it to me. He showed me an example using blocks, comparing Orion's manip, to PK's.

I mix up my moves, the fact that you're saying I rely too much on torrent shows you're unexperienced with water. How about a 1v1 tomorrow at my main server, then one at yours?

With a razer Deathadder, I click the hell out of my mouse and it barely turns, and in the end it just travels past my enemy. Why didn't this happen in Orion's build? Huh?

You're replying without any knowledge in the subject I am posting about. A lot of people notice this. How long have you been bending? Did you go competitive? Did you win waterchief in over 6 servers at a time? Doubt it. I notice the huge difference in manipulation, and while it is turnable with...

I've been bending for over 2 years, almost 3. Orion's manip was perfectly fine in terms of sidehits and redirection, then it was changed, now manip will travel distance before it turn. I'll take a server owner who used to be part of the PK development with his own moves word than yours.

Hero, I've been bending for over 2 years, like I said. Redirection with manip is not what it needs to be. It is not strong or fast enough to sidehit an enemy. Orion's manipulation was perfect, whatever was done to if, needs to be undone...